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 Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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Well since ATi chipsets are really new, it's difficult to say if it's better or not. I've read quite a lot of articles about it and I think it's the better way. Well, you can connect almost every ATi card with each other so I can buy a gfx card now and wait until I buy another one which will be then cheaper. If I go for the SLI, I need to buy 2 cards right away because they even say that the cards need to have the same Firmware (BIOS) which is nearly impossible if you buy the same card later on since they update the firmware...
About master and slave, that's similar to SATA HD's... The PC chooses a master and slave on its own and I guess you can also set it manually so that's not a problem at all. It is much more flexible since I'm not forced to buy 2 cards right away. Also the CrossFire concept is made so that you could add literally hundreds of graphics cards  whereas with SLI you only can add 2 cards. I know, it's not needed right now to have more than 2 cards but I just think that's the smarter way  |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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No man you have to have a master card for ati witch cost a bit more (around 50 euro i thought) then the secundary card can be any card if its not 2 old.
-you need a motherboard with ATI's Xpress 200 chipset to make CrossFire work.
-ATI uses two different cards to implement CrossFire; the first is the CrossFire Edition of either the X800 or X850. The second card in the pair is one of the traditional versions of the X8xx series cards. The CrossFire Edition cards have a compositing chip that takes information from the secondary (slave) card and combines its pixel data together with that of the primary (master) card. Data transfer between the cards occurs using the special DVI cable that comes out of the secondary card and goes into the special DVI port on the primary card.
-With CrossFire, current owners of X8xx series cards can upgrade to dual graphical solution by purchasing the CrossFire Edition motherboard and graphics card. If you own one 6800, you need to purchase the motherboard and the identical 6800, or flash the BIOSes to make them look identical to the system. CrossFire saves the X800 or X850 owner one purchase, because they can use what they already have.With the ATI solution, the BIOS, physical makeup of the card, memory amounts, vendor origin, and almost any other variable is irrelevant - it only has to be close enough
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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Just look at the ram and how its stuck to the prosessor with Intel and with AMD
well very intresting IMO.
have not found a crosfire ddr2 MBO tho let you know when i find one. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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Yeah, I also couldn't find one. I guess it's because of the ATi chipset though, not sure.
I was looking for recent hardware and it's seems a bit different. The Master / Slave thingy could be true. Need to take another look  |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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dont wanna see you buy somthing bad 
btw why dont the pictures links i posted not show? |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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Yeah thanks, me too 
Dunno about the pictures, should work  |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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| oand a nother thing...seems you have to use the control center to enable the 2 cards 2 work as one, and i can say the software of ati makes your system much slower...Thats my main reson why i dont wanna go with ATI atm. Talking bout the Catalyst control center crap. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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| Yeah, that's true. I've read something about it too. I don't like it either. Haven't installed it on my PC. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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| Diddle wrote (View Post): | | The can deal with DDR2 and AMD Socket 939 (which is not only used by the FX-60 btw, don't know where you got that information from). I plan on buying that in the near future, along with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+. |
The A8N-SLI Premium was a good board up until I had to send it back last week  I hope the replacement last's a bit longer.
Also, it doesn't take DDR2, only DDR |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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OMG really? good info, thnx for the heads up  |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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| Most nVidia chipset boards (well I guess if recent) supports DDR2 as far as I've seen so it shouldn't be a problem to find a suitable motherboard. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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| Not sure bout the ddr2 tho...the latency times are still long and it's very important that you get the right brand modules because ddr2 is relatively new and the process is far from perfect. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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K I looked some thing up the DDR V.S. DDR2
ddr400 speed can have the ideal CL2.0-2-2-5 1T timings, versus DDR2-667 at average CL4-4-4-12 timings. DDR2-800 does not perform better as of yet.
This is also the reason why AMD is waiting with the release of the new AM2 platform.
As of yet the in the first tests of the AM2 processor it does not outperform any of the older/current models with the same clock speeds and cash.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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| I know about the performance but they go a new way such as smaller chip architectures which results in less used power with same performance. It's simply the new socket which AMD will use in future. The socket 939 and 940 had a short life and I think AM2 will last longer again. So if you plan on upgrade certain parts of your PC in near future, it will be less complicated since you got all the latest technology, well in theory of course. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Athlon 64 FX-60 somthing to think about |
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what i know about it so far is that the AM2 processors will be a 90 nn proces in the start.
all prototipes out now seem to be 90 nn as well |
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